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  • grapestone
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    Joined: Dec 9th, 2007, 11:51
    Re: Logic 403
    Hi folks, First of all thanks a lot to Martin and everyone at macprovideo. You guys are doing really great job. Now, I agree that using 3rd party plugins is a must if you really wanna get a pro mix. Even more, I wish there'll be some 3rd party plugins tutorial on macprovideo (UA, Waves, Ozone etc) just to be sure how exactly use these devices in the mix. Thanks. Best, Archie
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  • Double D
    Posts: 2
    Joined: Sep 13th, 2007, 08:23
    Re: Logic 403
    Just finished this tutorial, found this thread and wanted to add my support to using third party plug-ins in tutorials. We want REAL WORLD tutorials - and that's what we've been getting - many thanks to you. Please don't tie one of the instructors' hands behind their backs. We want to see them do it in the fashion they normally would.
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  • Hamish H
    Posts: 307
    Joined: May 4th, 2009, 02:29
    Re: Logic 403
    I think this tutorial was invaluable for me. For example the 'setting up the rhodes' tutorial. David went into some history of the rhodes which gave a real world dimension to a virtual instrument. (I didn't even know what a rhodes was! Just a noise generated inside a computer) Then he says 'lets take a second to listen to the rhodes'. And then solos and plays the rhodes for almost a minute. He doesn't push any buttons, talk about marquee tools, or anything. Just listens to the rhodes. That was such an important lesson for me! I had to forget about comping tracks and keyboard shortcuts for a couple of minutes and just use my ears to listen to an instrument and appreciate the way it sounds. And his 'arranging the track' tutorial, where he talks about how someone who listens to the track should remember the first time they heard it, and always remember the feeling or emotion they had at the time... well thats just inspirational!! It wasn't just about how to make music (and what plugins to use), it was about why we make music. Thats how it seemed to me, anyway. I really enjoyed it. Thanks!
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  • dynamicalan
    Posts: 330
    Joined: Nov 25th, 2007, 01:33
    Re: Logic 403
    Hello, I really think this reply really hits the nail on the head. It really does have to do with why we make music. I remember the Rhodes from the US Navy. My piano and roommate Bobby used a Rhodes almost every gig. I am sure a lot of us wish that the people at Apple would include some plugins which are useful professionally. I am glad David did this tutorial and feel it's invaluable. I am glad he did what he did using 3ed party plugins. At least we learn what to buy in order to get closer to that kind of mix. I wish others would do so. Sincerely, Alan
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  • Dekuruy
    Posts: 148
    Joined: Nov 23rd, 2007, 07:28
    Re: Logic 403
    Hi all - I just have to chime in here; I'm glad this thread is getting good response, and my hope is, in responding to and amplifying what has already been said here, to turn the dB way down on those who send 'hate mail' that promulgates the 'lowest common denominator', as 'nobody' appropriately referred to them in his post. You know, as soon as I saw David Isaac had done a tutorial, I wasn't even interested so much in what the tutorial was on, or even if he was using Logic! I mean, the guy's a 3 time grammy award winner! When he talks, you listen, if you care at all about the music that comes out of your DAW, or whatever you happen to be using to produce sound. And if he says that he uses a plugin, and it's not a Logic plugin, then you'd want to pay extra attention to find out what it is and how to get it. I've only seen a few segments of 'Logic 403' so far, but it's a real gem thanks to the fact that David is actually showing you what he works with, how he works with it, and why. Just imagine if you were in the studio with him and you said, 'hey, David, stop right there! You can't use that plugin that you love that gives you just the sound you want, you'll have to use this inferior one........' Well, you can bet he won't answer next time you call him for work. As for YADJ's suggestion about comparing 3rd party plugins with Logic's, yes, that would be very useful, and I'm glad Martin agrees with him. Here's a suggestion that goes back to how the thread started, when 'dynamicalan' mentioned acoustic instruments. Yes, working with live instruments is certainly a different ball game, both from a sound perspective, and a financial one. One thought I had about helping to reduce costs would be to find some college music students to play some basic arrangements or demonstrate some common timbres, etc. just so we could see how different mic-ing techniques could be used to produce different sounds and mix styles, along with effects, etc. The key person would not be the musicians, but the presenter of the video, of course. So you could more easily afford to bring in a big name producer or engineer to create interest in purchasing the video. The arrangements don't have to be elaborate at all, since its really about capturing and refining live sound, not the musical execution or technique of the player. I'm sure, also, that there are probably plenty of professional caliber musicians in colleges just looking for a chance just to be in the same room with any big name music person. Well, I hope I didn't get too carried away, but please, to all the good, hard working staff at MPV, keep building your company, and reputation, on quality!
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  • dynamicalan
    Posts: 330
    Joined: Nov 25th, 2007, 01:33
    Re: Logic 403
    Hello, thanks for the post. There are a lot of forces that go to play in the creation of a production such as a hit song we all know and love. The sound is different and the artist makes it a certain way. The producers create a certain personal style and all that is at stake offers a variable. When we study a hit song from the sound and mixing prospective it gives us more than we would receive from just studying collage students playing. I know we all wish many more artists would be open up to offering there songs for analysis for the study of the sound and mixing. I believe that the mixing takes part in the groove. The sound of the bass how fat it sounds when played in a live session can affect the groove. I am sure there are other examples as well. Sincerely, Alan
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  • Dekuruy
    Posts: 148
    Joined: Nov 23rd, 2007, 07:28
    Re: Logic 403
    You're quite right about that, dynamicalan. And thanks for starting this thread - I think it is serving as an important place to express the desire of the artist for art.
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