Hi Rounik, thanks for the reply, I was just trying to keep from being ripped off or having to buy bundles of stuff before finding out that the 3d party plugin is the same as the plugins I already have. I was hoping to get a list started of what the experienced Logic users are using, as of now I am only using the plugins that come with Logic. Specifically what 3d party plugins have you found to be useful if any? Also do you know of any 3d party plugins that the administrators are using? I have seen them use stuff like, Echo Boy, Vocalign, and Melodyn, any info is greatly appreciated. thanx.