Hi there, i just googled this question and got this thread i am bouncing a track that has 10 plugins, 20 automation lines that is 20 minutes long. Tons of automation, sometimes 10 lines of automation doing something at once. There is no doubt that the real-time bounce is more accurate. The online bounce is doing some strange things level wise. My system is a G5 2.1 i-mac 2.5ram logic 8 osx10.4.11 I am not an expert with logic, but its a noticeable difference, this is also within a project Rounik that i had some glitches with, we chatted about it last week. TOM

[quote:7638]Hi Tom, Yes, I remember our chat about the scrolling issue... So what are the differences between online and realtime automation for this particular project & What do you mean by "strange things level wise"? Is the offline bounced file not bouncing all the automation data? More interestingly, are you able to replicate this in a new project? Cheers Rounik[/quote] Hi Rounik, i havent tried it with another project, this issue is two of the plugins were a compressor set with heavy limiting and the adaptive limiter. The proper result is of a leveling out of big peaks in the voice over i am working with. But the result with the on-line bounce was an increase in the peaks compared to the original, thats very odd. I think it might have to do with a very large amount of automation. Another thing that happens, is that Logic doesnt like sudden changes in automation, i try to use gentle changes where possible, for example a change in gain of a eq peak sometimes doesnt have the desired effect if the automation asks it to quickly change its value then back again. So i presume when asked to do this calculation plus (in this case) 20 lines of other automation, plus calculate 10 or so plugins the processor can get it wrong. Also CELEMONY WHO MAKE MELODYNE RECOMMEND ALL BOUNCING SHOULD BE DONE IN REAL-TIME. I can verify that this is the case, it is a bit touch and go if MELODYNE is used on-line. Thanks tOM

Hi Rounik, thanks a lot for the link. A couple of thoughts. I have been working with computer music for only 3 years. Before that i worked with the Akai DPS16. A fantastic work station. It was built for music production and only that. Its OS is basic compared to a MAC, but what it did, it did 99.999999% perfectly. I am getting the picture not to ask too much off my MAC. With the Akai a maximum of 4 effects simultaneously is avaliable spread over 16 tracks. I think i have been like the "kid in a candy store" with logic ," oh wow i can have 50 plugins' on ". Its all very well being able to have 50 tracks and lots of plugins and automation and on-line rendering, but having no limit like the Akai DPS16 i think is why we have so many questions about why things arent running smoothly. I'm going to try to be conservative from now and not ask the Mac to do to much. A friend of mine who is a top pro uses Logic 4.8.1. He does music for well known Movies and TV shows. He says there is no way he would use a later version of Logic as his one is very stable. How does Logic8 compare to logic 4 or 5? I'm loving using Logic 8 and i know i am the cause of 95% the problems i have but coming from using a platform like the Akai , i'd be tempted to use an earlier version of Logic and keep things simple. Thanks tOM

Hi Rounik, Your a star. Thanks for being so helpful to a newbie. I totally agree with you. I love Logic8. I started with garage band, then Logic express7 and now Logic8. When i got L7 express i thought it wasnt' half as fun as using Garage band, i wanted the functionality of logic, but the user friendlyness of Garage band. And of course thats what Logic8 is. I want to get real good with it and it will take years to master it. I use a G5 2.1ghz i-mac with 2.5 gig ram, WD firewire External HD and a Focusrite Saffire LE interface. I think this is a great forum. Very friendly, just what is needed. I love the tutorials as well. Thanks tOM

Hi there, i run logic 8.0.2. with a G5 imac. Scrolling in some projects becomes delayed up to 1 second, but in all projects the scrolling at best is not quite as smooth as in All other applications on the mac. When Logic 8.0.0 came out the graphics were really sluggish on G5's, something confirmed with several G5 users i know then 8.0.1 addressed this but still the scrolling is not as good as in Garage band. Is there something i can adjust? I think its a bit strange that Apples top audio application has this issue where Garage band or logic express doesnt. Thanks for any help. TOM

Hi Rounik, I mean with the mouse ball. I did your suggestion opening up a new project and the problem is not there. My logic is 8.0.2 The project is 6 gigs big with software and audio instruments. I run the audio from an external HD. I just re saved as so the exs instruments are now in the project folder, though i have been working with this project for 2 weeks now without doing that, so does that mean i have to do something else to or are the exs instruments now moved completely to the project folder now i have ticked the box ? Apparently that will help system performance. maybe this project is corrupted? Thanks for your reply TOM

Hi Rounik, i have 2.5 gig of ram ( maximum) 2 auxes with space designer each Roughly about 25 plug ins like eq, compressors, de-essers, sampler delays.......... not the really heavy ones. I have about 20% of the HD left. i have a focusrite saffire and i lost the power supply so its been powered off the firewire bus on the imac. A guy at Focusrite said that is not a good idea as the imac has only one bus for firewire and usb, So i have been running all audio from the internal drive. I think the internal drive just got over loaded. So temporarily i have disconnected the saffire and started using my firewire drive for Audio and ESX instruments and it has pretty much solved the issue. man there is so much to learn. Thanks very much for your quick help TOM

Hi, my project which i have been working on for weeks now has all of a sudden come up with this message in a box every time i "save" "File with specified name and version number already exists Result code =- 48 ?" And in the project folder a new logic8 logo with the same name has appeared but at the end of the name this sign [b] ~[/b] appears. I click command s all the time and i have to click ok on the dialogue box every time now. Any idea? Thanks TOM

Hi Rounik, I tried disk permissions and it didnt fix it. This is what happens. I am running the project from the external firewire hd. Before clicking on the project icon in the finder window I deleted the duplicated one with the ~ symbol, then I started the project. When the project started i hit command s to save and the bit i forgot to say in the first post was when I hit "save" FOR THE FIRST TIME ONLY all the ESX24 instruments are "copied". Where to I don't know maybe the external hd? My save as options have the exs instrument and samples saved in the project folder (external hd) and external audio files save there too. One other thing that happens AFTER the initial save is when i then hit save there are 2 progess boxes that appear for a split second each, then the Result code = -48 box appears. Its something I have not come across before. Thanks TOM

Thanks T-one, i havent had the problem for months. Dont no how it stopped, but if it comes back i'll remember your suggestion. tOM