Actually, as long as you have more than 5 gig of ram, EXS can load more than 4 gig of samples. George

Revised.... Re: Memory Nightmare Actually, as long as you have more than 5 gig of ram, EXS can load more than 4 gig of samples when you enable it in the EXS preferences. As for Logic and ram issues: Plogue Bidule makes a smoking AU or VST host app, and one can run an entire VSL orchestra if you use the correct articulations. Most of the big composers I work with run Play on a second Mac Pro, with 16 gig ram, one instace, all instruments. It takes a while to loadm but with Midi Over Lan, and Play it works fantastic, fluid, and stable. Play now has a 64 bit engine, as does VSE, and Kontakt 3.5 and 4. BUT Play likes it's own machine, and in my experience doesn't play well with other sample apps (no pun meant). I have set up about 10 major composers rigs over the last 6 months. The idea or running Logic 7 OR 8 seems to me to be a very bad idea, but then, Snow Leopard is also an issue, and I wouldn't recomment using it for now. !0.5 can run 64 bit apps fine, and Snow Leopard doesn't boot into 64 bit mode anyways... the whole 64 bit thing seems to be a bit confused: a "64 bit audio engine" is different than a "64 bit compatable application". One is an audio processing engine, the other is an application... two different things. Logic 9.01 or 9.02 work fantastic for me, I was almost ready to move to PT since so many of my "Pro" guys use it for stens and audio editing. with Logic Pro 9, I have been resold the isdea of Logic being a stable app... BUT using 10.5 8, not 10.6... Well, that would be my 2 cents to this mismash of ideas and commentary ;-) George Leger III Utopia Parkway Music www.georgetechguru.com

BTW sorry for the bad spelling and stuff. The editor for the BBS is pretty... confused.

Hi, and thanks for the welcome. Yes, I mentioned Midi Over Lan as a way to get midi data from one computer to another. One can actually use the built in Mac networking midi driver if they only need 16 channels of midi. Yes, 10.6 does not seem to be as stable while Logic is running, I see crashes for no apparent reason, lots of plug-ins that are no longer officially supported (Waves for example). I reverted my computer back to 10.5.8 and have been having no issues like I see in 10.6. I tell my tech clients not to upgrade yet, there really isn't any good reason to. No one has a 64 bit native version of their DAW app running, there are only a few 64 bit plug-ins as well, plus only the most recent Macs will even work properly in 64 bit mode.. check it out, it's true. Like they say in the wizard of OZ (disregard the man behind the curtain... Snow Leopard is allot like that: not what people think it is... wait a few years until ALL macs run in fully supported 64 bit mode, things will be better. For today, we have 10.5 (later versions as far as I understand) and 10.6 OS that WILL run any 64 bit native apps fine. It's all very confusing, and allot of the info that is out is wrong... kinda like the health care thing here in the US ;-) Happy computing, George Leger III georgetechguru.com

Hi, I just made a video tutorial on how to use VEPro and Logic ProX to host 32 bit plug-ins. Now, VEPro DOES cost money (about $250). That said, you get 3 licenses you can use to use the software on up to 4 computers, and a fantastic sample library called "Epic Orchestra" that sounds awesome. You can view it here:[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N18kLZMo_2o[/url] I'd be happy to answer any additional questions you might have about how to do this. Thanks, George Leger III AKA George Tech Guru FYI I have no affiliation with Vienna Symphonic Library, the company that makes Vienna Ensemble Pro 5, or Apple.

Funny, since there is no delay compensation on audio (it's impossible to compensate for real time audio) the idea of using VEP as a host for an effect (reverb, etc) was something I never even thought of trying, only hosting VI's. I can certainly try it... I'll let you know in the next few days. George

Hi, After watching the Mainstage tutorial, I'm starting to get the idea that is is not really the kind of an app that on would use top set up a large amount of Logic/Mainstage instruments to be triggered from an external computer, like one would with a program like Bidule (made by Plouge). Has anyone had an experience using MS like this: I have a master computer running a DAW on system 1. On slave system 2, I have 5 instances of EXS, 2 ES2, a couple of EVB3, and 3 of sculpture. I have each being fed midi data by midi over lan, and each instrument is being routed to it's own stereo out put in a MOTU 2408. I can add busses and fx to each track, and it would be very easy to load at the beginning of the day. Now, I know I can do this, but it is not easy to set up any controllers or faders, or do many of the setup things one can do with mainstage that are pretty cool. It becomes a big concert with only one patch, a really big one. Is there a better way of doing things, maybe I should open up multiple instances of MS, each with 1 instrument, etc, BUT that would make the load of such a large number of instances a real pain, and then there are possible conflicts that would come up using many instances of MS. If you were in a situation like this, what would you do? George Leger III

in other works, do the patch stuff before the layout... I was trying it other other way and it was nuts to say the least. Thanks, I wwill be doing this over the next 2 weeks or so and I'll let you know how it works out. George Leger III